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Variable Fighter Master File: VF-1 Valkyrie Wings of Space:  http://sdfyodogawa.mywebcommunity.org/OTvfmf/OTvfmf.php

Additional translations of the FAST Pack section (Pgs 021-025).

 

For those participating in that discussion where the subject of the Strike Valkyrie not actually having participating in SWI came up: therein contains a detailed description of how it wasn't possible.  And Seto, it also includes the passage you alluded to (however, it means something different than what you think you read.  ;) ).

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“The development commencement time for this pack is considered to be around the first half -year of 2012, and if that is true,  than the one that the Captain tested is very likely to have been a prototype model Close to a mock-up that cannot fire live rounds.”

Intersting..

”Incidentally , although it generally came to be known for appearing in the *movie that depicted the SDF-1 Macross’s first sortie, that one was naturally for the production, as even a development program did not exist for it at the time.”

They’re messing with my head!

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41 minutes ago, Bolt said:

”Incidentally , although it generally came to be known for appearing in the *movie that depicted the SDF-1 Macross’s first sortie, that one was naturally for the production, as even a development program did not exist for it at the time.”

They’re messing with my head!

Especially because that's *not* the DYRL movie that they're referring to in the book.  DYRL is apparently a sequel to the movie that they're referring to!  :unknw:

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Please illuminate me..:(

I read the asterisk notes and still didn’t get it..apparently.

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Bottom of page 23.

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2 hours ago, sketchley said:

For those participating in that discussion where the subject of the Strike Valkyrie not actually having participating in SWI came up: therein contains a detailed description of how it wasn't possible.  And Seto, it also includes the passage you alluded to (however, it means something different than what you think you read.  ;) ).

To be fair, I did indicate I was going from a memory of something I'd seen in the book last time I skimmed it. ;) 

Cheers for doing a full translation of that section so swiftly tho. :) 

 

Master File's handling of the RO-X2A high-powered beam cannon pod really is kind of a mess.

How did they put an RO-2A in a 2012 movie that was filmed before development of the RO-2A even began?  That doesn't make any sense no matter how I look at it.  It's right up there with that weird VF-19 goof they copied from Macross Chronicle about the VF-19 command variant having less thrust and more weight yet still somehow having a faster rate of climb and top speed.  WTF.

Though the real nitpick I keep having with Master File books is their weird blind spot when it comes to particle beam weapons.  It's like they've forgotten those were a thing in Macross, or even in general, so they present every beam weapon that isn't a dimensional energy weapon as a laser.  The RO-X2A was their first victim, so it got demoted from particle beam weapon to a gas dynamic laser system.  Deuterium fluoride is a weird choice for spacecraft-mounted laser weaponry.  It's a powerful real-world laser gain medium used in real world weapons-grade infrared laser systems... but the catch is that the reason it's advantageous in the real world is the longer micrometer wavelength infrared laser it produces suffers less attenuation from atmospheric gases.  There's no benefit to a deuterium fluoride laser in a space-exclusive application, and I have no idea why they're claiming the system releases toxic waste during operation because that's just not true even with today's most powerful applications.  I'm not sure what to say about saying that mirrors and lenses can't focus a multi-megawatt infrared laser because that's not really correct either... we use these systems TODAY at power levels exceeding a megawatt for missile interception.  An unfocused laser is just a waste of power.

The bit about not being able to use it for anti-aircraft uses feels like crossing the line all the way to critical research failure.  This is a laser system... the epitome of relativistic point-and-click.

The one part that really strikes me as well-considered was using the GIC system from the VF-1's thermonuclear reaction turbine engines as a reaction chamber for the infrared chemical laser.  With that kind of compression force, dozens of megawatts likely would be lowballing it.  This would be a VERY scary weapon.  The bit about using the GIC to drive a gas-dynamic chemical laser system because the VF-1 had inadequate electrical surplus to brute force a more powerful diode-pumped alkali laser system is also reasonably well thought-out.

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9 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

To be fair, I did indicate I was going from a memory of something I'd seen in the book last time I skimmed it. ;) 

Cheers for doing a full translation of that section so swiftly tho. :) 

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The bit about not being able to use it for anti-aircraft uses feels like crossing the line all the way to critical research failure.  This is a laser system... the epitome of relativistic point-and-click.

The one part that really strikes me as well-considered was using the GIC system from the VF-1's thermonuclear reaction turbine engines as a reaction chamber for the infrared chemical laser.  With that kind of compression force, dozens of megawatts likely would be lowballing it.  This would be a VERY scary weapon.  The bit about using the GIC to drive a gas-dynamic chemical laser system because the VF-1 had inadequate electrical surplus to brute force a more powerful diode-pumped alkali laser system is also reasonably well thought-out.

Nah... I had finished that section well before it came up in discussion.  Marking it up in PHP and slapping it onto my site was on the to-do list (after I had completed the rest of the FAST Packs section).  But you know that old story: started working on the VF-1EX translations... and then got a load of work from my side job at a translation company. :crazy:

 

Perhaps we should take what they say about the beam gun not being used for AA purposes with a grain of salt: as you pointed out, it's a very scary weapon.  So, while they didn't describe it that way, it would be a complete and total waste to use it on a 'mere' airplane (on par with overkill taking it past the scorched earth degree).

 

Though, that reminds me of something: these books are written from the perspective of 'in-universe publications'.  Could it be what we're seeing is really a bit of misdirection to hide the weapon's true capabilities ? ;)

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misdirection sounds like something Comstar would do, in it's early TRO's. Perhaps the way they worded was intentionally vague?

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1 hour ago, sketchley said:

Nah... I had finished that section well before it came up in discussion.  Marking it up in PHP and slapping it onto my site was on the to-do list (after I had completed the rest of the FAST Packs section).  But you know that old story: started working on the VF-1EX translations... and then got a load of work from my side job at a translation company. :crazy:

Yup, that sounds about right.  I get the same treatment all the time from my colleagues in Turin.

 

1 hour ago, sketchley said:

Perhaps we should take what they say about the beam gun not being used for AA purposes with a grain of salt: as you pointed out, it's a very scary weapon.  So, while they didn't describe it that way, it would be a complete and total waste to use it on a 'mere' airplane (on par with overkill taking it past the scorched earth degree).

Thinking on it, there's an even weirder problem with their explanation of the RO-2A...

They assert this deuterium fluoride infrared gas dynamic chemical laser system has as its core the gravity and inertia controller and reaction chamber from the FF-2001 engine.  Why isn't this a heavy quantum reaction beam weapon instead?  They've got a compact fold carbon coil there producing and storing heavy quantum that's being used to control the gain medium flow in their laser version.  It should be easier to cut out the additional hardware that the laser would need and react the heavy quantum for production of a fusion plasma beam.

This is made extra weird by the VF-4 Master File doing exactly that with the forearm-mounted beam guns of the VF-4.  If the RO-2A was a more or less contemporary program with that, it doesn't make sense to not exploit the more powerful technology.

 

1 hour ago, sketchley said:

Though, that reminds me of something: these books are written from the perspective of 'in-universe publications'.  Could it be what we're seeing is really a bit of misdirection to hide the weapon's true capabilities ? ;)

Well, they are presented as mass market civilian publications in-universe... though I can't imagine what the military would stand to gain by obfuscating the performance characteristics of a twenty-plus year old aircraft.

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2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

This is made extra weird by the VF-4 Master File doing exactly that with the forearm-mounted beam guns of the VF-4.  If the RO-2A was a more or less contemporary program with that, it doesn't make sense to not exploit the more powerful technology.

 

Well, they are presented as mass market civilian publications in-universe... though I can't imagine what the military would stand to gain by obfuscating the performance characteristics of a twenty-plus year old aircraft.

Re: VF-4

I think that's a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.  Though, a more  reasonable explanation is that the VF-1 Space Wings book was published years before the VF-4 book.  Writers changed (or the writer deepened his knowledge) by the time the VF-4 book was in production.

 

Re: in-universe obfuscating

Without going into too much detail, in the justifications for why the VF-1EX (and it's immediate predecessor, the VF-1Z) were still in demand and front line use in the 2060's is because they're still capable fighters when dealing with Zentradi Mobile Weapons.  So, the context of my preceding post was preventing that information from falling into their hands.

Not to mention that military surplus VF-1's are stripped of most of their military equipment when they're sold to civilians.  While FAST Packs can be acquired, perhaps the "it makes lethal poison when used" is just one more excuse to use when the consumer says, "can I get one of those, too?" :lol:

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On 3/25/2019 at 3:15 AM, sketchley said:

I think that's a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.  Though, a more  reasonable explanation is that the VF-1 Space Wings book was published years before the VF-4 book.  Writers changed (or the writer deepened his knowledge) by the time the VF-4 book was in production.

Granted, but a little consistency would be nice... especially since there really wasn't a reason to downgrade the Strike Pack's RO-X2A beam cannon to a laser, or down/upgrade the VF-4 to have laser machine guns and then a converging energy cannon.

 

On 3/25/2019 at 3:15 AM, sketchley said:

Without going into too much detail, in the justifications for why the VF-1EX (and it's immediate predecessor, the VF-1Z) were still in demand and front line use in the 2060's is because they're still capable fighters when dealing with Zentradi Mobile Weapons.  So, the context of my preceding post was preventing that information from falling into their hands.

True, Variable Fighter Master File: VF-1 Valkyrie Vol.2 was an in-universe publication from 2030.  The VF-1 Valkyrie was still in the process of being phased out of frontline service by the New UN Forces at that point in time, so I guess that's motive enough on its own to want to keep some details of its technology under wraps.

I'm not completely sold on the idea that the VF-1 was still being presented as a viable frontline combat unit c.2060 though... what we know of the VF-1X++ (via Macross the Ride) was that it was favored for clandestine operations due to the VF-1's ubiquity in the secondhand market (presumably thanks to the VT-1C and VF-1C).

 

On 3/25/2019 at 3:15 AM, sketchley said:

Not to mention that military surplus VF-1's are stripped of most of their military equipment when they're sold to civilians.  While FAST Packs can be acquired, perhaps the "it makes lethal poison when used" is just one more excuse to use when the consumer says, "can I get one of those, too?" :lol:

You'd think "you go on a watchlist just for asking" would be reason enough. :p 

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One more thing that came to mind , concerning the Mauler RÖ-2A Twin abeam Cannon Pack..

”The loadable gas capacity for the laser is limited to 8 times, and after exhausting the shots, the Valkyrie has no choice  but to distance itself from the battlefield. Also,  because the RÖ-2A cannot be aimed precisely, it cannot also be used for anti-aircraft uses.”

I can recall once  where Roy Fokker was using the Mauler in an anti aircraft capacity to give the beat down on the nousjadeul-ger  that were  in the process of capturing  Hikaru, Minmay, etc. in the rings of Saturn. In fact it’s the first shot we see him take ( “hey Hikaru, making trouble again?”)  and again he fires it several more times, effectively, during that scene. (He’s also firing his gun pod , as well)

This must attest to his skill as he was maneuvering his VF-1S quickly and precisely enough to pull this off.

 

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Regarding Translations, does anyone have a transcript of the furigana/kanji in Macross the First? Damn hard on my eyes to read and I would like  to attempt to translate it. 

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