LOST

[Hurin]

I did not intend to imply any linkage between the childbearing issue and any relative influence/presence of MIB or Jacob. I intended them as separate questions/issues. I was merely wondering what happed to the former, and asking if anyone remembered any details of the latter. Because both seem odd to me. Especially Jacob and Smokie being completely MIA during the whole 70s period (though, again, I may be forgetting stuff). The only thing that appears to be vaguely supernatural about the island during the 70s is the "energy" they're searching for. . . but other than the fence, there's not even oblique references to other crazy/supernatural stuff.

Personally, I would have liked to have seen why the Dharma folks started drawing maps on the back of retractable doors, etc. too. But that's probably not going to happen at this point.

[EXO]

Well, like I said. The Aaron thing is suppose to be addressed on the finale... we'll see.

Tha maps was drawn by Kelvin Ilman's (Clancy Brown)partner before Desmond arrived on the island. It was the semi-coherent scribblings of an insane man just before he blew his head off. This was done after the quarantine locked them in and had nothing to do with the Dharma initiative.

[EXO]

I was just thinking about how much of a big pain in the ass Lockes Dad was, how he kept turning up in all those episodes and made Locke so miserable and finally when we got to the pay off, it was awesome... I just feel like that's the kind of pay off we see with Widmore. I like the way he killed MILF w glasses though. "Well you told her not to talk, that makes her pointless!"

[jenius]

I have a vague memory which may put MIB in the 70s action. Didn't Ben follow his dead mother out to the forest where he met Richard?

[Hurin]

I have a vague memory which may put MIB in the 70s action. Didn't Ben follow his dead mother out to the forest where he met Richard?

I think so. Not sure. That was so long ago. Guess it would be safe to assume that's MIB. Yet, I can't even remember at this point if Smokey can take the form of anyone who has died, or if their body actually has to be nearby (hence the need to bring Locke's body back to the island). Could have sworn that it was explicitly stated that the body had to be nearby. . . yet we've seen MIB impersonate Richard's wife (whose body isn't on the island).

Also, and this is may be just my own odd theory, I think that Ben childhood flashback episode took place prior to the whole time-travel angle being introduced in a later season. So, I'm actually wondering if that is "in the same timeline/universe" as the timeline/universe that the "70s crew" inhabited. Part of me is still open to the possibility that when the "70s crew" went back in time, they also went back into a separate, alternate universe. Perhaps even separate altogether from any other we've seen (those others being the one where the island is destroyed and the original one where Oceanic flight crashed). But please don't anyone ask me to make any more sense than that. Because I can't. Because it confuses me just thinking about it.

[azrael]

But please don't anyone ask me to make any more sense than that. Because I can't. Because it confuses me just thinking about it.

I'm just gonna wait till Sunday for them to tell me WTH is going on.

[Uxi]

I have a vague memory which may put MIB in the 70s action. Didn't Ben follow his dead mother out to the forest where he met Richard?

Or was she like Jacob/MiB's real mom's ghost? Or some of the spirits Hurley sees (including Richard's wife).

[Hurin]

I'm just gonna wait till Sunday for them to tell me WTH is going on.

I actually wonder how much they intend to explain. They might throw us a few bones and "aha!" moments. But at this point, I don't really think they need to in order to finish the story. They might just wrap up what happens and just leave us guessing as to the whys of everything.

I wonder if they'll somehow rehabilitate Smokey. Like, maybe put him in Ben's body as fully human. . . so he won't be such a threat should he escape the island. And then maybe he also won't be such an a-hole.

Edit: I realize this isn't news, and that we were told that not everything would be answered. But at this point, I'd be surprised if we learn much of anything more in the final episode (long as it is planned to be). They've established the villain, and what he wants to do. Maybe the rest of the story will just be stopping him, and leaving the rest of the "mysteries" out of it.

Edited May 20, 2010 by Hurin

[spacemanoeuvres]

Watched this last night.

Was thrilled that Zoe finally bit the dust (annoying character) but her death was less satisfying than I hoped. Was hoping she would squirm a little but it was pretty quick and dirty.

Seems a bit strange that Richard was dispatched so casually; seemed like a cheap death for one of the more intriguing characters.

I can't believe that Ben switched sides so quickly. I wonder if he'll have another change of heart for the finale...?

Can't even begin to understand wtf the sideways are about or how they'll be integrated with the current time line. Guess I'll have to wait and see.

[jenius]

I don't believe Smokey killed Richard. The earlier scenes indicated that Richard was immortal and that Smokey would not kill him. I think what we saw was richard just being escorted, not so gently, far away.

I also think the whole scene where Miles flipped out and Richard said "Oh yeah Ben, I buried your daughter here" is supposed to be what makes it easier to believe that Ben then would so rapidly change. The instant he saw Whidmore (Widmore?), just moments after being reminded of how that guy killed his daughter, it was easy for Ben to turn and be like "This mother f'er needs to die."

The idea that alt Ben is now in a position to become an actual father-figure for Alex... by being with her mother was not something I expected.

[EXO]

With Jacob gone for good... not sure of the exact timeline, but if Jacob's ashes burned out before Richard got thrown... Ricardus... is done!

[spacemanoeuvres]

With Jacob gone for good... not sure of the exact timeline, but if Jacob's ashes burned out before Richard got thrown... Ricardus... is done!

When Richard was punted to the other side of the island it was still light out; and when Jack drank the kool aide it was dark so...?

Also, I don't believe Richard is immortal in the sense that he can't be killed (though he said he can't kill himself). I think he is immortal in the sense that he will never grow old and die of natural causes.

Edited May 20, 2010 by spacemanoeuvres

[jenius]

Even if Richard isn't the hardcore form of immortal, I remember after he failed to kill Jacob he handed MIB a stone(?) and there seemed to be the whole "you can do me no real harm" moment.

[azrael]

If Richard ain't dead, he's gonna be pretty sore in the morning.

[Hurin]

I don't believe Smokey killed Richard. The earlier scenes indicated that Richard was immortal and that Smokey would not kill him. I think what we saw was richard just being escorted, not so gently, far away.

Gotta agree. When they've shown us Smokey killing people in the past, he's usually shown to beat them to a pulp or literally tearing them limb from limb. The fact that they only show us Richard being taken off screen probably means something.

Though, I'm not saying that he can't kill Richard. I'm just saying that he probably didn't in this case.

Edited May 20, 2010 by Hurin

[Hurin]

So. . . some have been hinting about it. . .

Yeah, I guess that "mom" had made the mistake of going into the cave of light herself and was able to become a "smoke monster" too. . . hence her ability to wipe out an entire village by herself?

So, if that's true, was she evil too? Did it make her evil or does it only intensify whatever is in your nature already (if indeed it alters your soul at all)? Can you get turned into a smoke monster and still be a good guardian of the light (as she apparently was)?

[Vostok 7]

Was thrilled that Zoe finally bit the dust (annoying character) but her death was less satisfying than I hoped. Was hoping she would squirm a little but it was pretty quick and dirty.

Meh, she may have been annoying but I was enjoying watching her run around in a tank top without a bra.

[EXO]

I think she LOST her bra.

[azrael]

Great...EXO LOST his marbles....

[spacemanoeuvres]

I think she

<puts on sunglasses>

LOST her bra.

I fixed it for ya' hehehe

This made me giggle as well...

[Vostok 7]

I fixed it for ya' hehehe

This made me giggle as well...

Bwaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[jenius]

MSNBC has a little blurb on fan predictions for the Lost finale. Some are pretty standard, I'm sure things we've all considered, a couple seemed pretty cool to me. I liked one person's theory that the Kwon who was the candidate was neither Sun or Jin but rather their baby. It doesn't really make sense since Jacob said the candidates were people who were all already lost and obviously that little girl isn't... although I guess without her parents she may now be. Lots of theories focus around Jacob and MIB simply being replaced and the game continuing. Several people think Hurley is due to replace Jack in short order, I think that might stem primarily from Hurley's obviously not wanting the job in the last episode.

[Zor Primus]

Something tells me we won't get all the answers like we did in BSG...too many laces still untied...at least I think there might be, there are so many pieces to this puzzle the last ones might look like a fit but they won't...arrrgh my brain hurts!

[EXO]

We've been getting answers for the past season and a half. Most of the major mysteries have already been solved.

Why were they brought to the island

what the numbers mean

whats the purpose of the island

what's the black smoke

why do they see the dead people

who are the others

why doesn't richard age

where is the island located

[jenius]

I don't remember the resolution to "the others." They were on the island already when Dharma showed up right? They showed up on the island during WWII and Widmore was with them? Is that pretty much all there is to them? Essentially now it seems like "the Others" were just pawns in a game MIB and Jacob were playing.

What's up with Walt? Doesn't it seem like he should play a part in the end?

[EXO]

Yeah, the Others were a collective of people that were pretty much brought to the Island by Jacob, not to be used as pawns but ended up as (some were candidates but were crossed off the list, I forget who, Ben or Richard that Jacob would at times give him a list of people that they have to collect and bring to the island)... but they were there to show MIB that the people outside weren't all that bad. The Losties would have ended up as Others but the fact that the true replacement was one of them made them special.

Walt's storyline was compromised due to the fact that the actor was growing up too fast for the series's slow rate of time. He was written out when Michael took him off the Island. Then Sawyer's dream of seeing Tall Walt made it seem like he saw the future and finally the flash forward episodes and eventually the storyline's jump to real time with Jeremy Bentham allowed Walt back in just to resolve the character. But his intended reason for the show was never realized.

[azrael]

We've been getting answers for the past season and a half. Most of the major mysteries have already been solved.

Well, ever since 2007, when they announced that LOST would end this season, they put in answers and other endings into the show throughout the course of the show.

[jenius]

Thanks for the run down Exo. i'm still a little confused by the Others though. Basically it sounds like The Others are the invitees and the Dharma initiative wasn't really invited but originally was allowed to stay around because they weren't really interfering either. Seems odd if Jacob's duty is to keep the light safe that he'd allow a bunch of scientists to poke and probe his island. I get that The Others had their list of good and bad because Jacob was also seeking out people who were just naturally good but I don't get all the very bad things the others were doing... like kidnapping and murder. Isn't a Sawyer a candidate and didn't they blow his boat up and leave him in shark infested waters?

[Hurin]

So, the theory is that Jacob was bringing these folks to the island in an effort to rehabilitate his brother? Think about it, Smokey has almost no frame of reference for humanity. All he know is what his mother told him about how evil they are. . . along with the small community he lived with for a while before mom killed them all. And, if you'll recall, he hated those people.

Though that begs the question, why does Jacob take the side of humanity being decent? He had even less interaction with people than Smokey. You'd think he'd be even more of a believer in his mom's warning about how evil they all are.

[Vostok 7]

Jack's "accepting the job" was a little too... Obvious.

[Hurin]

Jack's "accepting the job" was a little too... Obvious.

Yah, as soon as he did it, both me and my wife said at once: "he's dead."

It so obvious you have to assume they're going to throw us a curve. Though, they could throw us the curve by not throwing us the curve.

[EXO]

LOST!

Gonna wait til midnight to watch it.

[Ghost Train]

I loved it! I went in with low expectations though.

Hmmm.... anyone else get some strong Evangelion original TV ending vibes ?

[505thAirborne]

I loved it! I went in with low expectations though.

Hmmm.... anyone else get some strong Evangelion original TV ending vibes ?

Definitely a hint of EVA there, it was an awesome ride & an awesome end!

[m0n5t3r]

how long is the finale? d/l'ing 2 700Mb files for this... taking quite a while... can't wait to watch it.