Prometheus - on Blu-Ray and DVD Oct. 9, 2012

[azrael]

I think Scott said it best in the interview I mentioned:

...but I was always amazed that no one asked who the hell the Space Jockey was. He wasn’t even called the Space Jockey. During the film they started to call it the Space Jockey. I don’t know who started that one off. I always thought it was amazing that no one ever asked who he was, and why was he there? What was all that about? I sat thinking about this for a while and thought, well, there’s a story! And the other four [films] missed it! So, here it is.

It's a basic question which no movie has really answered.

[EXO]

I do prefer some things to be kept a mystery because it makes the world a lot more wondrous. But if there was one person that I'd like to explore that subject it'd be the original team of Brandywine and Scott. And I guess we kinda got our Colonial Marine action with Avatar. I can't imagine the final battle being a lot different... well I guess I could've used less blue people and six legged jungle beasts.

[sketchley]

yeah... I think the name Ridley Scott will be enough to attach this project to a wide audience. It's not like it's being directed by some guy who did the make up on that one movie you might have seen on netflix.

This.

I wouldn't go so far to say that the Xenomorphs have been done to death, but I do fully agree that distancing anything with the travesty that the Brothers Strause created with their disrespect of the materials is best. This film may very well be the one that wipes the proverbial slate clean, and opens things up for something like the Alien 5 that James Cameron was developing before AvP got the green light.

Man oh man, those AvP movies were a big misstep (despite the 1st being passably watchable). Perhaps the most disappointing thing was that they did NOT adapt that original Dark Horse Comics 4-issue series...

I think Scott said it best in the interview I mentioned:

It's a basic question which no movie has really answered.

... which reminds me of something:

what happened to the Space Jockey's ship AFTER "Aliens"? Why didn't anyone go and check up on it? Especially given that it's apparently one week's travel away from Hadley's Hope the big radioactive crater...

Edited December 27, 2011 by sketchley

[reddsun1]

... which reminds me of something:

what happened to the Space Jockey's ship AFTER "Aliens"? Why didn't anyone go and check up on it? Especially given that it's apparently one week's travel away from Hadley's Hope the big radioactive crater...

IIRC, it was implied/mentioned at some point in Aliens that the colonists' mucking about around or in the ruined ship was what led to the infestation and massacre, prompting the military drop(?).

I suppose Cameron didn't want to dedicate budget & resources to designing sets/props/etc to recreate the alien ship, let that portion of the story stay in the backdrop, i.e. let the past stay in the past? Maybe someone should have thought of that in regards to this movie too, eh?

Edited December 27, 2011 by reddsun1

[DarrinG]

Looks to me like the derelict space craft is the same one from Alien, and can be seen falling over on its side in this preview.

I think we all agree on that right? Or did someone say they wondered if they were different?

The Space Jockey head on the examining table?? I'm there...

[sketchley]

IIRC, it was implied/mentioned at some point in Aliens that the colonists' mucking about around or in the ruined ship was what led to the infestation and massacre, prompting the military drop(?).

I suppose Cameron didn't want to dedicate budget & resources to designing sets/props/etc to recreate the alien ship, let that portion of the story stay in the backdrop, i.e. let the past stay in the past? Maybe someone should have thought of that in regards to this movie too, eh?

I think you should try to find yourself a copy of the special edition or ultimate edition which contains the cut scene of Newt's family heading out to the Space Jockey's ship.

Trust me, it's more than worth the effort. Plus, where else can you see the Weyland-Yutani tricycle in action?

Edited December 27, 2011 by sketchley

[reddsun1]

Looks to me like the derelict space craft is the same one from Alien, and can be seen falling over on its side in this preview.

I think we all agree on that right? Or did someone say they wondered if they were different?

The Space Jockey head on the examining table?? I'm there...

yup, caught that in the trailer; immediately recognized it as the same as the crashed ship from the 1st movie. But then it made me briefly wonder: are they intending to reveal that it was some sort of monument or building instead? Why else would it start out like that? surely it wouldn't have originally crashed standing right on its nose?

[VT 1010]

It's a basic question which no movie has really answered.

Interestingly enough, the comics actually explored this a bit. In fact, Aliens: Apocalypse: The Destroying Angels was almost entirely focused on the space jockeys. Either way, I'm interested in Ridley's take on it.

[DarrinG]

yup, caught that in the trailer; immediately recognized it as the same as the crashed ship from the 1st movie. But then it made me briefly wonder: are they intending to reveal that it was some sort of monument or building instead? Why else would it start out like that? surely it wouldn't have originally crashed standing right on its nose?

I guess just because Ripley said it was a space craft doesn't mean it was one...

[chowyunskinny]

So I rewatched Alien last night and made an observation during the discovery of the Space Jockey body scene. When Dallas is inspecting it, the Space Jockey's body seemed quite large compared to the size of an average human. So, was it an abnormally large facehugger that infected the Space Jockey?

[Penguin]

Who's to say that the "body" in the chair was even a body? Maybe it's some sort of techno-organic suit. No way to tell at this point. All I know is, I'm well and truly excited about this film.

[EXO]

I don't think that the facehuggers varied in size since all the eggs were uniform. My questions about the Space Jockey were: Is that a cockpit or a beam cannon he was sitting on? If it was a beam cannon, why was it inside the ship? Does it rise to the surface? In the trailer we see it elevate to the floor that the Nostromo crew found it.

That's another thing... would that be the same space jockey if that's a prequel? Because why would he be placed on the seat and then get attacked by a xenomorph after the events of the upcoming movie?

One last thing... is the ship right side up when the Nostromo crew found it or was the gravity controls still on? Because the eggs seemed to be facing right side up. I'm kinda surethe new movie won't answer the last one but it'd be a nice surprise if it did.

[chowyunskinny]

Who's to say that the "body" in the chair was even a body? Maybe it's some sort of techno-organic suit. No way to tell at this point. All I know is, I'm well and truly excited about this film.

Dallas says "the bones are bent outward"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMPXIcB1huM

Maybe the thing it's sitting in is a periscope or telescope

Edited December 28, 2011 by chowyunskinny

[DarrinG]

I don't think that the facehuggers varied in size since all the eggs were uniform. My questions about the Space Jockey were: Is that a cockpit or a beam cannon he was sitting on? If it was a beam cannon, why was it inside the ship? Does it rise to the surface? In the trailer we see it elevate to the floor that the Nostromo crew found it.

That's another thing... would that be the same space jockey if that's a prequel? Because why would he be placed on the seat and then get attacked by a xenomorph after the events of the upcoming movie?

One last thing... is the ship right side up when the Nostromo crew found it or was the gravity controls still on? Because the eggs seemed to be facing right side up. I'm kinda surethe new movie won't answer the last one but it'd be a nice surprise if it did.

But what if the eggs were laid after the ship (monument?) tipped over? Queen Aliens are smart enough to know that future scripts will bring unsuspecting humans right where she wants them...

[EXO]

But what if the eggs were laid after the ship (monument?) tipped over? Queen Aliens are smart enough to know that future scripts will bring unsuspecting humans right where she wants them...

That could be. But it seemed like it was more cargo than it was an after thought because of the laser. Now was laser put there as a tripwire in case someone goes in or (gulp) something crawls out? I would suspect that it wasn't to signal if something comes out because if anything out of all those eggs came out without knowledge then it's too late for anyone. Maybe it kept the eggs in stasis for the journey. Again, I don't expect any of these to be answered but it did add a layer of intrigue to the movie. It made the world seem more real because there was function and reason beyond what was needed to tell the story. It sells it a lot better. I feel like the Space Jockey was part of that. I hope they treat it well... but I'm excited to see this. If this turns out well, I'm going to be really excited about the Bladerunner sequel.

[Penguin]

Dallas says "the bones are bent outward"

Yeah, I know. But Dallas doesn't know what he's looking at any more than we do. He also says it looks fossilized, but true fossilization requires groundwater and sedimentary minerals, so clearly he's just speculating/free associating and not stating fact. The chestburster may have come out of something inside that shell, then burst through the outer suit too. The stills captured from the trailer might just be showing the being that was inside it.

[sketchley]

Who's to say that the "body" in the chair was even a body? Maybe it's some sort of techno-organic suit. No way to tell at this point. All I know is, I'm well and truly excited about this film.

Wasn't Ridley Scott himself who said the space jockey on the chair is a suit?

But later posters are correct: how much of the dialogue in that scene can be taken at face value and how much is speculation/misdirection?

[electric indigo]

Maybe the thing it's sitting in is a periscope or telescope

If this is the same room then it might indeed be a navigation/control apparatus.

BTW does my butt look big in this?

[reddsun1]

BTW does my butt look big in this?

Ah yes. We all know this will indeed be the ultimate and true function of space suit technology in our distant future: to be sleek, fashionable and utterly trendy--and more importantly, to make a woman's bum look scrumptious... C. Theron, I presume?

ed: methinks this bodes that there will also almost certainly be a scene in which Theron's character tries to break S. Weaver's unofficial record for all-time-skimpiest-pair of "bvd's" ever worn by a female character in a non-pornographic film.

Edited December 29, 2011 by reddsun1

[slaginpit]

Actually just the opposite. They would have a hard time marketing this as a quality sci-fi film if they had xenomorphs in it. As someone pointed out earlier, xenomorphs have been done to death. Look at the last three films with xenomorphs in them and you will see that they were broadly panned by critics and their small appeal was mainly aimed at the teen horror/gore fans. Ridley Scott obviously made this observation when he started this project and wants to distance himself from that aspect of the story in order to have broader appeal, ie; to be taken seriously.

Xenomorphs have been done to death badly. That doesnt mean people dont want them in. Alien 1 and 2 were done well the rest were god awful and movie goers cant appreciate cheesy script with your fav beasty. IIRC H. R. Giger called the alien designs in the later movies abominations and objected to the studio unsuccessfully. I dont mind them not being in this film but I would like to understand their overall origin and design elements since they can breath in any atmosphere. For example I would like to know why they always have a dome shaped head. In the first 1 and 2 films they had clear shaped domes showing a human skull. Also

Spoiler alert:

According to leaked scripts which really match the trailer way before it came out, Vickers turns into the star beast aka the queen.

I think that someone might morph into this

Not sure if its too graphic ?

Edited December 29, 2011 by slaginpit

[VT 1010]

ed: methinks this bodes that there will also almost certainly be a scene in which Theron's character tries to break S. Weaver's unofficial record for all-time-skimpiest-pair of "bvd's" ever worn by a female character in a non-pornographic film.

They've apparently shot two versions of a scene with Theron doing push ups: one clothed and one nude.

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

Dallas says "the bones are bent outward"

Maybe the thing it's sitting in is a periscope or telescope

Even aliens need to take a crap sometimes methinks.

[reddsun1]

They've apparently shot two versions of a scene with Theron doing push ups: one clothed and one nude.

Eh? do, go on...

Spoiler alert:

According to leaked scripts which really match the trailer way before it came out, Vickers turns into the star beast aka the queen.

I think that someone might morph into this

Not sure if its too graphic ?

Ack! Not feeling the Capt. Kirk vibe with this one...

ed: is anyone else given to the notion that someone who could have such vivid, bizarre & downright frightening images and concepts rattling around in their furtive little mind--this bloke H.R. Giger(sp?) for example--has got to be one seriously warped motherfu**er?

Edited December 29, 2011 by reddsun1

[Totoro242]

But what if the eggs were laid after the ship (monument?) tipped over? Queen Aliens are smart enough to know that future scripts will bring unsuspecting humans right where she wants them...

This assumes that Scott will even acknowledge the queen alien and the second movie. I believe he is making a prequel to Alien, not any of the other films.

[DarrinG]

This assumes that Scott will even acknowledge the queen alien and the second movie. I believe he is making a prequel to Alien, not any of the other films.

Hmmm - interesting. You're saying that the Space Jockeys or other 'creators' could have simply made those eggs?

(talk about a chicken and egg mystery!)

And you're saying Ridley might not acknowledge Aliens and the concept behind how the Queen lays the eggs in that movie?

Seems like that would be documented somewhere as to whether he accepts Camerons work as cannon for the Alien universe.

I hope he does. But no matter. If whatever it is can create life, then they could have just as well made the eggs first.

But why were they in that vessel or monument then? Can't wait for the movie! How 'soon til june?'...

Edited December 29, 2011 by DarrinG

[Radd]

This assumes that Scott will even acknowledge the queen alien and the second movie. I believe he is making a prequel to Alien, not any of the other films.

This is very true, and the vibe I get from his comments is that you hit the nail on the head. He's making a movie in the same universe as his original movie, but ignoring the sequels others made.

Honestly, I'm fine with that, even if he contradicts elements from the other films, including Aliens. I like Aliens, but not as much as the original. It was not the same kind of movie at all. I can enjoy it for what it is, but I want to see more of the path the original was treading. It was almost Lovecraftian in the way it played out and the sequels, including Aliens, diluted that a lot.

[Totoro242]

Who's to say that the "body" in the chair was even a body? Maybe it's some sort of techno-organic suit. No way to tell at this point. All I know is, I'm well and truly excited about this film.

I did a bit of poking around and it turns out, you are correct. From the Scott interview here: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41273.0

"And this one does actually raise all kinds of other questions, because if someone could, a being, could be as monstrously clever to create something like we experienced in the very first one – I always figured it’s a weapon, and I always figured that [the ship in the first Alien] was a carrier of weapons. Therefore, who is that, inside that suit? That wasn’t a skeleton, that was a suit. And if you open up the suit, what do you get inside it? And why were they going, where were they going?"

Crazy.

[Totoro242]

From the same interview when asked if the xenomorph will be in Prometheus:

"RS: No. Absolutely not. They squeezed it dry. He (the xenomorph) did very well. (He laughs) He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

He is talking about the Aliens in the Great Movie Ride at Disney's Hollywood Studios: http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/The_Great_Movie_Ride

[aerocombatpilot]

BTW does my butt look big in this?

Nothing wrong with that!!!

[taksraven]

I also predict that this will be the last "Alien" film that we see in the original continuity. I think that this film will set the stage for a remake/reboot of the original. (I doubt that Ridley would do it though)

[Omegablue]

I also predict that this will be the last "Alien" film that we see in the original continuity. I think that this film will set the stage for a remake/reboot of the original. (I doubt that Ridley would do it though)

It would be strange watching Prometheus with tech like touch screens and etc, and then the original Alien with keyboards and christmas tree lights.

Also the franchise overall lacked the movie effects of today, and evantually relied too much on Ripley's survival instead of the mythos of the aliens. From the third film it became hard to distenguish the monster between Ripley and the xenomorphs.

I'm still thinking this film will be more of the atlantis theme of finding the giants that once lived on Earth? As well the guy there when the jockey's controls lift might very well be one of the giants?

Strange though as intial rumour had that xenomorph would appear in Prometheus? Maybe just the face huggers?

Also, would anyone know what happened to this crew by the time the saga reaches Alien?

[Penguin]

Also, would anyone know what happened to this crew by the time the saga reaches Alien?

Gee, you just want to spoil all the surprises, don't you?

[Lobizon]

Close-Up Look At The Space Jockey’s Helmet design

http://cinemart-onli...er-mask-design/

[TehPW]

here's a thought: what if part of the plot involves infected humans turning INTO the space jockey's? the one still pic of someone looking like they are either being blow away from a explosion beind them... or they are gonna DFA the human in the lower right of the pic... the image of the DFA himself... does his head look... funny?

[DarrinG]

I do hope the Space Jockeys are NOT human (oids) with helmets on. I was looking forward to a true 3 race of beings...