David Hingtgen Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 We (the mods) figure this topic is inevitable and will take up a large enough part of the "Entire series discussion" thread that it deserves its own topic and poll. Things to keep in mind before voting: Please take into account more than just how it ended. (maybe people shouldn't vote until at least a day or two after they watch the last ep to eliminate "heat of the moment" opinion-swaying) The music! Always an integral part of Macross. Every series has things you don't like and moments of greatness, try to recall it all equally. Not every second of Plus was awesome mecha action nor did every moment of 7 involve Basara yelling "Ore no uta wo kike!" though many people tend to remember things that way... Presence or lack of CG doesn't automatically make certain things better or worse. Poll/thread will open after Frontier Episode 25 airs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 (edited) The original SDF Macross has something the other two series don't; we get to see the after effects of the climactic battle. Reconstruction is a large part of what makes the series classic. Its the most "adult" of the three. Edited September 25, 2008 by Duke Togo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impreszive Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 The original SDF Macross has something the other two series don't; we get to see the after effects of the climactic battle. Reconstruction is a large part of what makes the series classic. Its the most "adult" of the three. I would also take this a step further and add in resolution to certain plot elements. The love triangle in there is a good example. While there were no more stories of the heroes (except max and millia), the ending was satisfying. Maybe I am just a nostalgic old man, but the writing in Macross felt more tight to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronnang Dunn Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 (edited) The original SDF Macross has something the other two series don't; we get to see the after effects of the climactic battle. Reconstruction is a large part of what makes the series classic. Its the most "adult" of the three. I agree... For me the best Macross TV series has been the original SDF Macross, then Frontier and finally Seven... However, I must add that I like them all three very much, hehe... Edited September 25, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-25 Messiah Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 I would say Frontiers story is not finished yet, with us getting a movie. Of course we have no idea if said movie will even be a continuation but I think(hope) so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyde01 Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 as good as it was i still like macross tv and dyrl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShizumaRobo Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 I agree... For me the best Macross TV series has been the original SDF Macross, then Frontier and finally Seven... However, I must add that I like them all three very much, hehe... That's about right. Definetly the best Macross production I've seen in awhile. However, if it had a few more episodes to flesh things out, it probably would have been equal to SDF Macross. As it stands, its still a fantastic sequel and a worthy followup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethalzero Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 because SDFM was the very first... and nobody ever forgets his first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerocombatpilot Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 The original SDF Macross has something the other two series don't; we get to see the after effects of the climactic battle. Reconstruction is a large part of what makes the series classic. Its the most "adult" of the three. I agree 100%, the original Macross was the more mature show out of the three. I believe that Frontier was better than Seven, however it fell way short of the original. Mac 7 was way too long and just "felt" childish, although I believe that's what Kawamori wanted to do. Perhaps, he decided that the original was too "mature" for TV and choose to make a Mac 7 for a younger audience; it must have worked because MAC 7 was popular in Japan. With Macross Frontier, I believe he raised the maturity level by dealing with themes like;people dealing with illiness and people in comas, just to name two. However, I still can't take Macross Frontier any more seriously than Macross Seven. I would rate them like this: 1. Super Dimentional Fortress Macross 2. Macross Frontier 3. Macross Seven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 SDF:M remains to be the best in my eyes; best story, characters, everything. Frontier is a shadow of the original, and to me, this is strongly pointed out with Ranka essentially being Minmay's shadow. I even think M7 has qualities above Frontier, although M7 relied on fan-favorite characters. If M7 was the newest installment and Frontier was the second, I'd still go with M7. Frontier's story and characters make me gag overall. I'm just glad I'm not the obsessed fan I once was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexx Stalker Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 Both the original and 7 are best than F (I liked it very much nonetheless). The first, well, it's what started it all, the second was much more innovative and original than Frontier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Guld Goa Bowman Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 (edited) This series is clearly better than Macross 7 even though that was a good series too. I think Macross Frontier is slightly a notch above SDF: Macross. Skull One didn't die like in the original so that puts it over the top for me. Edited September 26, 2008 by Chief Guld Goa Bowman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 Macross Frontier is made for new generation of fan and oldschool fan, you can nearly see all previous Macross episodes on MF homages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 This poll SHOULD say "Macross F: A great Macross series, or THE GREATEST Macross series?" I say it's great, but it can't quite overshadow the original. I *may* like it better than Plus, however...which is really saying something for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I voted, but I don't like the way this thread's poll was posed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I voted, but I don't like the way this thread's poll was posed. I agree...you can love Frontier a lot, but still have to vote "no," just because SDFM is a tought act to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShizumaRobo Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 However, while I think the original is still the best, Frontier still had the best production values out of a Macross TV series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntsan Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 (edited) it is the best "animated" macross in terms of space fighting animation (awesome cg effect) Edited September 27, 2008 by ntsan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 it is the best "animated" macross in terms of space fighting animation (awesome cg effect) I don't know, Plus was pretty impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beltane70 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 This poll definitely needed more possible answers! I had to answer no to both questions even though Frontier is now my favorite Macross sequel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisaForever Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I agree...you can love Frontier a lot, but still have to vote "no," just because SDFM is a tought act to follow. I agree. BUT MAN IS THAT AN AWESOME LAST EPISODE!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShizumaRobo Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I agree. BUT MAN IS THAT AN AWESOME LAST EPISODE!!!!!!!!!! I concur. Episode 25 put a huge smile on my face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I loved Frontier but I don't think it's as good as SDFM. SDFM had much more adult themes and I thought handled death and the repercussions of war in a much more adult and mature manner. In terms of story, I thought SDFM sold the desperation of their situation much more effectively than Frontier. Maybe because the stakes in SDFM seemed so much higher. Even though in episode 25 of Frontier we see that the Vajra could have been a threat to all of humanity that wasn't really made clear in the show and I think some of the sense of threat and impending catastrophe really struggles as a result. And even though SDFM is overly long and stretched out, some of those episodes were really well used to develop characters and really flesh them out that... and that believability really made their relationships seem real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I loved Frontier but I don't think it's as good as SDFM. SDFM had much more adult themes and I thought handled death and the repercussions of war in a much more adult and mature manner. In terms of story, I thought SDFM sold the desperation of their situation much more effectively than Frontier. Maybe because the stakes in SDFM seemed so much higher. Even though in episode 25 of Frontier we see that the Vajra could have been a threat to all of humanity that wasn't really made clear in the show and I think some of the sense of threat and impending catastrophe really struggles as a result. And even though SDFM is overly long and stretched out, some of those episodes were really well used to develop characters and really flesh them out that... and that believability really made their relationships seem real. Well...to be fair, the stakes ARE higher in SDFM. We're talking about the extinction of all life on earth, after all. And Global quite rightly acts to make sure that the stakes are never that high again. Macross 7 of course tries to do SDFM one better with the "Spiritia Black Hole" that will absorb the entire galaxy, but let's face it...you can't keep upping the ante continually like that without getting ridiculous after a while, and no matter how big you make the scale of the threat, Ideon will always trump you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Well...to be fair, the stakes ARE higher in SDFM. We're talking about the extinction of all life on earth, after all. And Global quite rightly acts to make sure that the stakes are never that high again. Macross 7 of course tries to do SDFM one better with the "Spiritia Black Hole" that will absorb the entire galaxy, but let's face it...you can't keep upping the ante continually like that without getting ridiculous after a while, and no matter how big you make the scale of the threat, Ideon will always trump you. I agree and even Frontier's attempt to up the ante felt more than a little afterthought-ish. It was clearly an attempt to broaden the scope of the series, but was done in the eleventh hour so it lost much of what it was trying to accomplish. Digressing, I'm still holding SDF Macross over Frontier as well. It simply got more right than Frontier did. But I have to say Frontier got more right than I could have ever hoped in a modern Macross sequel. For all the fan bitching and nitpicking, Frontier was an enjoyable and exciting militaristic Macross adventure. I'd give SDFM a 10, Macross Frontier an 8 and Macross 7 a 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I'd give SDFM a 10, Macross Frontier an 8 and Macross 7 a 2. BOMBAA!! Oh...wait...a 2 isn't good, is it...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 BOMBAA!! Oh...wait...a 2 isn't good, is it...? LOL. No, it isn't. But what can I say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crasis Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I still have to go with the original for "best series," but Frontier is EASILY my second favorite Macross show. This filled the need I've had for most of my life for a sequel that lives up to the original. If I had to put them in order (highest to lowest): SDF Macross/DYRL/Flashback 2012 Macross Frontier Macross Plus Macross 7 Macross Zero Macross Dynamite 7 Macross 2 And now my heart breaks as I realize more than half of that list will never see the light of day outside of Japan. But that's a depressing topic for another thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie addict Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Macross Frontier was the best animated from all Macross but thats thanks to today's standards best macross series, of course, original SDFM, it came from out of nowhere, it introduced completely new ideas, it was very mature but yet lighthearted, it had a love story, war story, big bother/father story, great side character with great stories, had a big war, EVERYONE USED THE SAME AIRCRAFT, an epilogue after the war and a CONCLUSION TO THE LOVE TRIANGLE, despite the horrible animefriends animation at that time, the story made you ignore that Frontier was rushed, it was a good story but could had been told with more patient Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Macross Frontier was the best animated from all Macross but thats thanks to today's standards Have you seen DYRL or Plus? Or Zero, for that matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie addict Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 hahaha! yes I have.. ok ok, let me rephrase, Frontier is the best Macross TV animated tv series... the Macross OVA are on a league of their own.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 hahaha! yes I have.. ok ok, let me rephrase, Frontier is the best Macross TV animated tv series... the Macross OVA are on a league of their own.. I think one thing that bothered me about Frontier is that Macross 7's animation and art was far more consistent episode to episode than Frontier's. If they were to go back and reanimate all of 7's combat sequences using CG, would I still call Frontier the best animated of the 3 series? I don't know. Also, the original SDF Macross, when not being outsourced, had some brilliant sequences and gorgeous art, all hand drawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Long ago I came to grips with the fact that I'm not really any good at rating my favourites amongst a franchise. I see it as one big whole. I really enjoy Frontier, though. There are aspects that I believe it achieved far better than its predecessors, and there are aspects where I felt that it fell well short of them. It's given me some high expectations for future Macross productions, and some high hopes that we'll be seeing more in the not so distant future, given the popularity Frontier seems to be enjoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final Vegeta Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I think one thing that bothered me about Frontier is that Macross 7's animation and art was far more consistent episode to episode than Frontier's. If they were to go back and reanimate all of 7's combat sequences using CG, would I still call Frontier the best animated of the 3 series? I don't know. Frontier also had good sceneries FV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie addict Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 well, I'm not defending Frontier crappy animated episode, cause they looked horrible, specially the episode where they kill Michael, I hated that episode so much cause the animation was just awful but Macross 7 animation was very dodgy to begin with and they manage to save a lot by recycling to death the poor vf-11c being blown up, of course, you could really appreciate when they animated properly the VF-17S but like I said before, thanks to today's standards Frontier stands out but it could easy be rated as the one with he worst to best animation on a tv macross series, shame actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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