d3v Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 I'm confident that it would sell... I wouldn't wanna pay the shipping to get one in the US though On another topic: why does everyone seem to think the VF-27 is superior to the VF-25? We haven't seen anything to really indicate that it's superior, just different. Well, the fold boosters do indicate that it's got more tech than the 25. However, you do have a point that we've yet to see them face off against each other. You've got a point on the movements, though. I'd also note that, at least to me, the VF-27 seems a bit bulkier than the VF-25. Maybe it's intended to be a self=sufficient, internalized design as opposed to the extremely expandable but pack-reliant -25. It reminds me of the intent of Project Supernova-- a fighter that could infiltrate enemy lines on its own and accomplish a variety of missions. In relation to this, based on the fact that it can be outfitted with multiple kinds of armor packs, the 25 seems to be more of a general purpose VF. So either they're designs built for different missions, or it's a 2 designs representing 2 different philosophies of 2 competing design teams. Cramming every bit of technology you can into the plane versus a simple, but modular airframe that can be customized for different missions based on the packs you attach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akt_m Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 The worst macross f episode so far... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 The worst macross f episode so far... You're joking...right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehPW Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 The worst macross f episode so far...YOU! Back away from the crack! Keep yer hands high, where i can see 'em! Just GIVE ME A REASON! Just one and... and... i'll summon Dozens of Ninja Kittens on you! There! Cuddle Kittens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisaForever Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 I need an angry picture of Klan to post for posters like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Yeah, this episode showed us that the VF-25 is pretty tough. Alto's VF-25 had it's right(?) wing tip blown off when he was approaching the Vajra carrier in fighter mode. Then once inside the carrier, he took the hit to the back, which completely blew off both wings. Next, IIRC he may have taken some hits to the arm shield (just going by memory), when he was shooting at the first yellow Vajra, resulting in no additional damage. Then he took the hit to the right arm, which disabled it, but didn't blow it off. Then he took the hit which completely destroyed the head. Lastly, after he'd transformed to Gerwalk, the 2nd Yellow Vajra used it's tail spike to destroy the VF-25 Gerwalk. Graham He has a better armour than any SWAG armour. Its called Plot Armour. When you're the hero of a show, your mech will be 10000x more resilient than others using the same mecha. I'm sure when Luca and Ozma bite the dust later, they'll die from some stray shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisaForever Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 He has a better armour than any SWAG armour. Its called Plot Armour. When you're the hero of a show, your mech will be 10000x more resilient than others using the same mecha. I'm sure when Luca and Ozma bite the dust later, they'll die from some stray shot. You're an idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted May 19, 2008 Author Share Posted May 19, 2008 You're an idiot No, that's just too much Gundam in the blood... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 I speak truths. Look at Kakizaki vs Max in DYRL. Max survives multiple pulse laser hits on the chests but Kakizaki dies with just one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fade Rathnik Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 After looking at the 27's over all shape and structure its quite obvious to me that the 25 and 27 are very close cousins if not siblings. They both have the same over all transformation, save for the wings which are folding rather than VG as they are on the 25. And there is something different going on with the shoulders behind the neck as I am not sure if that is the leading or trailing edge of the fuselage. I agree that each fighter is based of a different concept but from the same original design, likely result of being produced by two different Firms. But two firms using more or less the same structure thats kind of odd in the Macross world, then only to find out that the 25 is based of another fighter the 24 so now there are 3 fighters with the over all same structure. I wonder if we'll ever see the 24, I doubt it though. This all reflects some interesting differences in the design and manufacture worlds of Macross. Unlike the real world, design firms are responsible only for designing their airframes, possibly building the prototypes but i doubt it. I'd say most if not all manufacture is handled by either the automated factory that they nicked back in 2011 or the automated factories humans have sense built. As was demonstrated in m7. So design firms are payed some form of license fee for each copy produced. This changes the whole logic of how a firm would operate, and if you think about it offers a perfect explanation for the 17 vrs 171. GG(General Galaxy) desgned the 17 as a special forces fighter from the outset, there for likely made the license price higher to pay for the R&D cost in developing the airframe. Then went on to work on the 21. Fast forward one and a half decades, the 11 is likely a reservist and planetary garrison fighter and the 19 is serving as the primary fighter but showing its age. Of course with the 22 as special forces, but also showing its age. Honestly as good as the 19 is she probably wasn't the best space fighter or rather she was always too much at home in an atmosphere to spend to much time in space. So someone, likely Shinshi is developing the 24 as a replacment for the 19. The UN changes and becoms the NUN, this likely killing the project. So some nut a GG goes, 'well the research on the 17 is already paid, why not just make the design more suitable to mass production and use and offer it as a primarily space fighter' hence the 171 is born as a cheap stopgap, new governments love those. Which leaves the 19s getting reasigned to the core systems where its excellent atmospheric maneuverability would pay off. The 171 on carriers assigned to colony fleets. The 24 program to replace the 19 as the standard fighter being reworked as the 25 with the new government, likely creating the flexability that the 25 is now renowned for. And the 22 apparently being quietly replaced by the 27. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 I speak truths. Look at Kakizaki vs Max in DYRL. Max survives multiple pulse laser hits on the chests but Kakizaki dies with just one. Dude, Kakizaki gets shot through the cockpit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisaForever Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Dude, Kakizaki gets shot through the cockpit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 (edited) Dude, Kakizaki gets shot through the cockpit. Dude, the plane explodes. And actually his cockpit is still intact. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Ytb5LlJ9c Edited May 19, 2008 by wolfx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_WOZ Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Look at this comparison between the logo on the nose of the VF-27 and the preproduction sketch for the Galaxy fleet logos (from Renato's scans): It seems that the VF-27 is from the Galaxy fleet after all... Maybe the firm backing the Galaxy fleet is General Galaxy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s001 Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 I Watched a few minutes of the episode and: 1. Ozma is a badass. 2. Alto is good but very distracted (seriously he looked at that earring for like an hour in the middle of the fight). 3. Luca is a weenie. I'm affraid that he's not going to make it to the end of the show. 4. The VF-27 looks too advanced for my taste (still don't like the 'ear' antennas). 5. Beera Stern looks like an evangelion character. 6. E.T. Ranka: Oh no, here comes the weird stuff! (Thank you M7 & M0) 7. WOW MACROSS QUARTER! 8. WOW CANARIA AND HER KÖNING MONSTER! But hey this is actually a positive comment! Great episode (I didn't watched the entire thing yet but well...) full of action! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Look at this comparison between the logo on the nose of the VF-27 and the preproduction sketch for the Galaxy fleet logos (from Renato's scans): It seems that the VF-27 is from the Galaxy fleet after all... Maybe the firm backing the Galaxy fleet is General Galaxy. Mystery solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Dude, the plane explodes. And actually his cockpit is still intact. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Ytb5LlJ9c I smell a conspiracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor One Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 The worst macross f episode so far... Wesley? Is that you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkrealmbahamut Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Look at this comparison between the logo on the nose of the VF-27 and the preproduction sketch for the Galaxy fleet logos (from Renato's scans): It seems that the VF-27 is from the Galaxy fleet after all... Maybe the firm backing the Galaxy fleet is General Galaxy. So this lends itself heavily to being NUN of the galaxy fleet or a PMC of the galaxy fleet. If that is the case man they must have been out on manuvers because the galaxy fleet got messed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 I am going to guess its not a PMC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkrealmbahamut Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 I want to agree but you would think if they aren't then why was the Galaxy getting hammered so hard? I definately want to agree though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s001 Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Look at this comparison between the logo on the nose of the VF-27 and the preproduction sketch for the Galaxy fleet logos (from Renato's scans): It seems that the VF-27 is from the Galaxy fleet after all... Maybe the firm backing the Galaxy fleet is General Galaxy. That makes sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 SMS doesn't carry the Frontier or NUNS insignias on their mecha. We see both NUNS and Galaxy on the VF-27. I'd wager their experimental fighters and are limited in number. I'm also guessing that there was something not kosher about what was going on aboard the Galaxy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkrealmbahamut Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 SMS doesn't carry the Frontier or NUNS insignias on their mecha. We see both NUNS and Galaxy on the VF-27. I'd wager their experimental fighters and are limited in number. I'm also guessing that there was something not kosher about what was going on aboard the Galaxy. Makes sense and I didn't think of that. The power of a single fighter though is extremely impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Dude, Kakizaki gets shot through the cockpit. Thats the Cannon Fodder rule then, isn't it. Cannon Fodder will be hit directly in the cockpit every single time with no chance of survival. Macross Zero had some of the best examples of that. If the hero is hit it will be anywhere BUT the cockpit. Taksraven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 SMS doesn't carry the Frontier or NUNS insignias on their mecha. We see both NUNS and Galaxy on the VF-27. I'd wager their experimental fighters and are limited in number. I'm also guessing that there was something not kosher about what was going on aboard the Galaxy. Yeah, stuff is starting to click into place now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Dex Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 There is a new torrent on TokyoToko for episode 7 that is listed as anime rather than raw or not english, but I can't tell if it is a sub or not. I'll download it to see, unless someone can tell me, just search Macross Frontier on TokyoTokoshan, should be the newest entry. Note, it is a Matroska file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fade Rathnik Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 What about the 'S' logo on the side of the VF-25 has that been established yet? Or is that just a simplified frontier logo? Because if its not that my vote is Shinshi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexx Stalker Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 There is a new torrent on TokyoToko for episode 7 that is listed as anime rather than raw or not english, but I can't tell if it is a sub or not. I'll download it to see, unless someone can tell me, just search Macross Frontier on TokyoTokoshan, should be the newest entry. Note, it is a Matroska file. There is one that just popped up on tokyo toshokan named GG which is listed as english sub. I'm dloading it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Dex Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 There is one that just popped up on tokyo toshokan named GG which is listed as english sub. I'm dloading it now. That's the one I saw, so it is a sub then. I haven't heard of GG before, is that Gattai or someone new? I was downloading it, but it's gonna take awhile, practically no seeders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexx Stalker Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 (edited) That's the one I saw, so it is a sub then. I haven't heard of GG before, is that Gattai or someone new? I was downloading it, but it's gonna take awhile, practically no seeders. Yep, we're on the same boat. And I've never heard of them before, too (at least, never heard of them doing MFrontier). I thought at first they were Gattai under an acronym. Guess we'll just have to wait (patiently) and see. **edit** As I was writing, the speed began to increase and is now going really fast. I hope to have some news in and hour or so. Edited May 19, 2008 by Nexx Stalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Dex Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 (edited) It's telling me about 5 hours to download at this rate.. I'm so used to getting these episodes after there is a good amount of seeds, makes me wonder if I should just go for it later or not. As I was writing, the speed began to increase and is now going really fast. I hope to have some news in and hour or so. Hmm.. I'm seeing no increase, hopefully mine will speed up as well. Edited May 19, 2008 by Master Dex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Yep, we're on the same boat. And I've never heard of them before, too (at least, never heard of them doing MFrontier). I thought at first they were Gattai under an acronym. Guess we'll just have to wait (patiently) and see. Judging from the quality of writing on their website, they seem to be a bunch of idiot savants, minus the "savant" part. But who knows? They could surprise us. Seems kind of strange that they'd do episode 7 before doing 1~6, though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisaForever Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Judging from the quality of writing on their website, they seem to be a bunch of idiot savants, minus the "savant" part. But who knows? They could surprise us. Seems kind of strange that they'd do episode 7 before doing 1~6, though... Maybe they noticed that no one else has released one yet COME ON GUYS!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beltane70 Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 gg isn't new. I've downloaded a few shows subbed by them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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