StrangeWill Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 (edited) He was atleast observing, had he wanted to kill them, he could have done so easily. Yeah, I just meant about the whole "blowing the gun out of Alto's hand" situation. Maybe NUNS was looking to make up for their lost specimen by capturing a carrier? Edited May 16, 2008 by StrangeWill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehPW Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 Except it has NUNS insignia on its wings.screen cap. now plz. I didn't see one. i mean all we've seen only any NUNS mecha is the letters... what does the symbol LOOK like? Pics now! Shneel! Shneel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeWill Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 Also a side note: I want that song from the battle, anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westlo Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 Also a side note: I want that song from the battle, anyone else? lots of people do... have to wait for the ost though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichterX Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 Well the Vf-27 seemed it shot the Gunpod off from Luca's VFs which freed it. Any one else noticed that the VF-27 doesn't need a fold booster? in the last scene the fighter in the fold area (hyperspace?) with no boosters attached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 (edited) screen cap. now plz. I didn't see one. i mean all we've seen only any NUNS mecha is the letters... what does the symbol LOOK like? Pics now! Shneel! Shneel! There's a couple shots a few pages back that clearly show a NUNS logo under the wing, it's the same logo you see on Cathy's shoulder patch... it's the shot from under the VF-27 while it's in mid-fold. You can just make out the logo under the wing, at the very top of the screen. Edited May 16, 2008 by Chronocidal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDClip Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 He was atleast observing, had he wanted to kill them, he could have done so easily. Who knows maybe he already got what he flew in there for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkrealmbahamut Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 screen cap. now plz. I didn't see one. i mean all we've seen only any NUNS mecha is the letters... what does the symbol LOOK like? Pics now! Shneel! Shneel! There are several scattered throughout the other pages of this thread. I figure it is going to be another PMC group working with another fighter design team that get to pilot the VF-27. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehPW Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 There are several scattered throughout the other pages of this thread. I figure it is going to be another PMC group working with another fighter design team that get to pilot the VF-27. Checked the screenies but something screens wrong here. a shoulder patch doesn't make a logo. Has Cathy's patch BEEN SEEN ON THE VF-171? that's what's gonna convince me that the VF-27 is NUNS, that the same logo vaguely seen on the undewrwing of the VF-171 is also seen on the wings of the VF-171's. ok, i spent a bit of time looking various Youtubes of Eps 1 (The Elint VF-171 gives the best evidence of the NUNS kite logo) and i'm firm on the VF-27 not being NUNS.... yeah the wing kite has the bent horse collar (it's what the NUNS kite looks to me) but the wing lighting isn't good enough to see the circle that wraps around the horse collar on the NUNS kite... and the lettering isn't NUNS... you can make out 101 on the tail end of the lettering so it's a logo, just NUNS's logo. this is nuts and i'm gonna stop argueing (I'm hooked. i'm *&^%ing hooked and i want to know ALL about this new wrinkle in the beer can soup The Froating Head has cooked for us.) cause the logo looks too close. i'm really starting to think we know nothing about the current political players of Macross. Just how many goverments exist? If the VF-27 does belong to a different political entity from NUNS and is a foe of it, this series just got a whole hella murkier.... More Mecha Pr0n please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkrealmbahamut Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Show a comparison of what you are talking about because the majority see the NUN symbol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehPW Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Well the Vf-27 seemed it shot the Gunpod off from Luca's VFs which freed it. Any one else noticed that the VF-27 doesn't need a fold booster? in the last scene the fighter in the fold area (hyperspace?) with no boosters attached. not to free it. if the VF-27 would have been helping, it would have shot at the tenticles... my frigging heads hurts from all this confusion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 VF-27 definitely has that NUNS logo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkrealmbahamut Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 (edited) It had to be some form of helping because if it was siding with the Vajra Alto and Luka would have been toast. This guy from his piloting and shooting seems top notch. Edited May 17, 2008 by darkrealmbahamut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisaForever Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 It had to be some form of helping because if it was siding with the Vajra Alto and Luka would have been toast. This guy from his piloting and shooting seems top notch. But it DIDN'T help, that's what is confusing. I'll wait for the episodes to clarify before I speculate on anything. You all can say it has a NUNS logo but I'll wait to hear it from the show itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 May be im showing my age here but I've only ever seen SDFM when I was a kid on free air tv until last year when I discovered M0 and DYRL and now MF.... Read about other Macross series and was never interested in the whole spirita (sp?) thing or when they went nuts with the music-as-a-weapon business, or for that matter, using guitars as flight controls.... madness...... Why did I just say the above? I think the unknown insignia is a guitar...... CRAP IN A HAT! The myterious enemy are FIRE BOMBER GROUPIES!! Fire Bomber will be back...and in greater numbers... BOMBAA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisaForever Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 CRAP IN A HAT! The myterious enemy are FIRE BOMBER GROUPIES!! Fire Bomber will be back...and in greater numbers... BOMBAA! Stop that *smack* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Show a comparison of what you are talking about because the majority see the NUN symbol. I don't see no cross! I do see however what seems to look like a NUNS kite though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 It had to be some form of helping because if it was siding with the Vajra Alto and Luka would have been toast. This guy from his piloting and shooting seems top notch. I suggested earlier that he only wanted to keep Altoh from interfering with his departure. By the time Harmonica shot Skull-3's gunpod, Altoh had already used the gunpod to clear enough tentacles that Skull-3 was able to easily escape under its own power. My thoughts on this - It seems that the Vajra are looking for something, based on their actions in earlier episodes. They might have grabbed Skull-3 because they thought that the pilot might be able to provide information on what they want. Harmonica may have wanted to deny Skull-3 to the Vajra as a potential information source (either by blowing up Skull-3 or freeing the fighter himself), but Altoh entered the ship before Harmonica could carry out his plan. So Harmonica hid to see what Altoh would do. Once Altoh successfully freed Skull-3 (or got rid of enough tentacles to easily fly away), Harmonica shot the gunpod to keep Altoh from interfering with Harmonica's departure. I doubt that Altoh would have actually tried to keep Harmonica from leaving, but Harmonica may not have thought that he could take the chance (particularly if he's directly or indirectly working against Frontier's interests). Mao Nome was 11 in 2008-2009. Sheryl is 17 in 2059. Thus, *IF* Mao was her mother, she would have been 41-42 in 2042 when she gave birth to Sheryl. Mothers that old are not uncommon these days... My own thought is that if she's descended from anyone in Macross Zero, then it's Shin and Sara. She could be either a daughter or a granddaughter. How she got from them to Galaxy is anyone's guess, but we really don't know anything about her past. It's somewhat odd that a child would grow up not knowing anyone. I would have assumed that Sherryl's parents had friends that would have been willing to adopt Sherryl as their own, but that doesn't appear to have been the case. In any case, I don't think that there's really enough to work with there. It's an interesting idea, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisaForever Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 I know this may sound like a stretch but I just watched the episode again (in FULL color, nice and perfect) and could it be that...... Sheryl and Ranka are sisters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papabear Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 I wonder if there's any chance of us seeing Battle 25 doing a transformation--I suppose no, since it's been done enough in M7... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 My own thought is that if she's descended from anyone in Macross Zero, then it's Shin and Sara. She could be either a daughter or a granddaughter. How she got from them to Galaxy is anyone's guess, but we really don't know anything about her past. It's somewhat odd that a child would grow up not knowing anyone. I would have assumed that Sherryl's parents had friends that would have been willing to adopt Sherryl as their own, but that doesn't appear to have been the case. In any case, I don't think that there's really enough to work with there. It's an interesting idea, though. I stand by my earlier theory that Sheryl IS Shin and Sara...fused by the Bird Man into a single, perfect, hermaphroditic being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shun Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Glad to know u're safe Kresphy! and thanks for that screencap. yup, it looks like NUNS logo to me. not only the logo, the fighter was given the designation VF-27, which is clearly an indication that there's some connection with NUNS, perhaps a secret project, watever... the VF-25 was said to be independently designed based on the YF-24, so there's a possibility that the VF-27 could be another design based on YF-24, albeit being much more highly advanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grss1982 Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 The task force only cover what like the remain of Galaxy vanguard fleet. @Morpheus: Is this the cockpit of a VF-25? Check out the lower right corner of the pic. This may will be our first confirmation that the VF-25 does not have a YF-19-like all around view cockpit in fighter mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shun Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 How she got from them to Galaxy is anyone's guess, but we really don't know anything about her past. It's somewhat odd that a child would grow up not knowing anyone. I would have assumed that Sherryl's parents had friends that would have been willing to adopt Sherryl as their own, but that doesn't appear to have been the case. not really that odd, if u think of sheryl as an orphan. but i suppose there's some story behind her parents and that pair of earrings. I know this may sound like a stretch but I just watched the episode again (in FULL color, nice and perfect) and could it be that...... Sheryl and Ranka are sisters? yup, i think that's a real possibility. both of them having no relatives or memory of their parents. And the blood testing, we didn't get any info about Ranka after that... I stand by my earlier theory that Sheryl IS Shin and Sara...fused by the Bird Man into a single, perfect, hermaphroditic being. we've already established that Ranma is the hermaphrodite in this episode, evidence is her very famous protrusion!! if Sheryl is another hermaphrodite, we need to see some bulge. but it'd explain Sheryl and Ranma being sisters/brothers/siblings. oops... i mean Ranka.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polidread Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 CRAP IN A HAT! The myterious enemy are FIRE BOMBER GROUPIES!! Fire Bomber will be back...and in greater numbers... BOMBAA! YES!! YES!!! YES!!! and because they will learn that Ozma is a diehard Firebomber himself, the VF27 guys will turn to SMS' side and the Vajra will be OWNED by ZA POWAH Ofu SONGu! BOMBAAaaa!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 YES!! YES!!! YES!!! and because they will learn that Ozma is a diehard Firebomber himself, the VF27 guys will turn to SMS' side and the Vajra will be OWNED by ZA POWAH Ofu SONGu! BOMBAAaaa!!!!!! And in the series finale, even the Vajra themselves will stand up and start singing! POWER TO THE MUTHAF$@#IN' DREAM!! And then, over the ending credits, Luca stands alone in a soft spotlight, and sings "Santi-U." Then, the lights come on, and EVERYBODY, from EVERY Macross series is standing there. They all wave at the camera, and say, "Bye! Feel good about yourself!" And then Wendy Ryder trips and falls down. It'll be GREAT! (And I have no idea what I'm talking about anymore...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shun Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Well here is an idea why the Kaitos was a different color... when the Macross Quarter hides behind an asteroid and the asteroid explodes, it comes out with the same greenish glow/electrical effect to it, obviously something that close to you exploding would cause quite some damage... possibly an all-out last ditch effort defense barrier? (Obviously didn't work for Kaitos on a direct hit). Obviously under heavy attack and being under the damage it was (IIRC It was really badly messed up), Kaitos would go full-defensive and depend on the backup to get it out of the mess. yup, maybe. but looking at the sideview schematics, we know that the Kaitos and Dulfim are different class of ships (look at the pic posted by Morph). And when the Monster was landing on the deck of Dulfim, we see that it has an orange hull. So far, we see the M-Galaxy has 2 types of warships - the greenish one and an orangey one (apart from the Galaxy itself). When the orangey ship de-fold close to the 2 RVF-171 in the previous ep, iirc they clearly stated that it was the Kaitos, so i really think it's a mistake by the animators / scriptwriters. BTW, there were supposed to be at least 6-7 warships de-folding, wonder if Dulfim is really the only one surviving and... actually its a miracle considering how much time it took for the distress signal to reach Frontier (with all the fold faults causing possibly a few days delay), and the time to deploy the rescue team (SMS was waiting and waiting)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_WOZ Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 I think Luca was captured because of that fold communication device attached to his fastpack. Maybe it have one of those purple gems inside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronnang Dunn Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 (edited) "Ranka (with protrusion) = Shin + Sara? Mmmmh... Futanari dreaming? Try again Try again...!!!" LMAO No really... Just kidding. Btw... I see NO NUNS LOGO in the VF-27/Harmonica/Crimson VF.... & Those symbols aren't Zentradi. I think they are from some other faction not yet shown (Protoculture or Anti-NUNS). Mr. Bilrer seems like he is very fascinated by the battle... almost like a child watching a cartoon. I have the theory that he may be some kind of Protoculture outcast that is making mankind + cultured Zentradi fight creations of his (The Vajra) to turn them into a warrior civilization (like the Zentradi were originally)... This could fit the Shiva (God of War/Destruction) look of his... Perhaps Brera is trying to stop him... Or maybe Brera is some sort of supervisor that was sent by Bilrer to make sure everything goes according to his plans (He shot Luca's gunpod to keep Alto from fighting him...). So many possibilities... Another question I have... Why on Earth did the Vajra captured Luca? This was the first time ever them destructive bugs attempted something other than mercilessly destroying everything on sight... Could it be because he was young? Or like it has been posted earlier... for interrogation? Or because he was from a rich family & Mr. Bilrer didn't want him killed? Edited May 17, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shun Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 (edited) I think Luca was captured because of that fold communication device attached to his fastpack. Maybe it have one of those purple gems inside? woooah!! good point!! we can see a purpleish tint on the tip of that fold transmitter. explains how the prototype transmitter was able to send signals to control the ghost drones (does it mean the ghosts must have similar gems to receive signals?) and also even send real time signals back to the Frontier which was light years away. all these despite the vajra jamming. so Ranka must own something similar for the vajra to target her? but then what about all the singing and music attracting/reviving the vajra? Edited May 17, 2008 by Shun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 BTW, there were supposed to be at least 6-7 warships de-folding, wonder if Dulfim is really the only one surviving There was still a lot of fighting going on in the background when Quarter blew up the Vajra ship. There's one of the ever popular "cloud of blinking lights" effects going on throughout the episode, including just before Quarter blows up the Vajra ship. And if you listen carefully when the Quarter charges, you can hear faint battle sounds (similar to ones that you could hear when the Frontier fleet folded in). What we saw appears to have only been a small part of the battle, and I'm confident that if there were more Galaxy ships present, then most of them survived. Given that the Quarter was one of several ships that folded in, most likely the SMS was assigned to cover those two specific ships only, and the regular NUNS forces from Frontier were assigned to support the other Galaxy fleet forces present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Another question I have... Why on Earth did the Vajra captured Luca? This was the first time ever them destructive bugs attempted something other than mercilessly destroying everything on sight... One Vajra captured Gilliam... but only very briefly. Another thought - the Ghosts have some similiarities with the Vajra. According to Louise, the Vajra are essentially remotely operated weapons. This is essentially what the Ghosts are as well. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shun Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 (edited) now it seems like even the vajra fold reactor is purpleish... meaning that shiny purple element has the ability to transcend vast distances, transmit sounds/signals even fold without the problems posed by the fold faults. some extra-dimensional thingy. lets just hope that its not gonna be some 'flower-of-life' thing that the vajra need it to survive, which explains why they wanna capture Luca/ interest in Ranka... Edited May 17, 2008 by Shun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 "Ranka (with protrusion) = Shin + Sara? Mmmmh... Futanari dreaming? Try again Try again...!!!" LMAO No really... Just kidding. Btw... I see NO NUNS LOGO in the VF-27/Harmonica/Crimson VF.... & Those symbols aren't Zentradi. I think they are from some other faction not yet shown (Protoculture or Anti-NUNS). Mr. Bilrer seems like he is very fascinated by the battle... almost like a child watching a cartoon. I have the theory that he may be some kind of Protoculture outcast that is making mankind + cultured Zentradi fight creations of his (The Vajra) to turn them into a warrior civilization (like the Zentradi were originally)... This could fit the Shiva (God of War/Destruction) look of his... Perhaps Brera is trying to stop him... Or maybe Brera is some sort of supervisor that was sent by Bilrer to make sure everything goes according to his plans (He shot Luca's gunpod to keep Alto from fighting him...). So many possibilities... Another question I have... Why on Earth did the Vajra captured Luca? This was the first time ever them destructive bugs attempted something other than mercilessly destroying everything on sight... Could it be because he was young? Or like it has been posted earlier... for interrogation? Or because he was from a rich family & Mr. Bilrer didn't want him killed? you didnt see this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronnang Dunn Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 VF-27 definitely has that NUNS logo. Not quite... (like I said before... a lot, hehe). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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