Uxi Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Why did the Romulans have to dig a hole to the planet core again? Would the black hole still not suck the planet it if placed outside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Why did the Romulans have to dig a hole to the planet core again? Would the black hole still not suck the planet it if placed outside? so they could have a cool set piece for kirk and sulu to fight on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lechuck Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 It's the Hot Wheels Star Trek Ships line, you can find them at target, walmart, TRU and yeah, the saucer section falls off, I mean, comes off. Not sure I understand you correctly, but do you mean saucer separation is implemented poorly or are you not a fan of this feature on Galaxy-class ships? Oh and any scale? Looks like 1/2500 to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Not sure I understand you correctly, but do you mean saucer separation is implemented poorly or are you not a fan of this feature on Galaxy-class ships? Oh and any scale? Looks like 1/2500 to me? Sorry, actually it's pretty secure. it's in place by three large hexagonal pegs that hold the saucer in place. I remembered it being loose, but it isn't really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeszekely Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Sorry, actually it's pretty secure. it's in place by three large hexagonal pegs that hold the saucer in place. I remembered it being loose, but it isn't really. Maybe you were thinking of the old Galoob one? I had it as a kid. I remember not only the saucer being kind of loose, but the engineering section being coming apart into three pieces (not by design, but because it didn't hold together very well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyryder Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Why did the Romulans have to dig a hole to the planet core again? Would the black hole still not suck the planet it if placed outside? Any fool can nuke the site from orbit. But, setting off a black hole inside the planet? That's the real way to be sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 On-screen, it looks far cooler to implode from the center than to be dragged-destroyed off to the side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uxi Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 lol, I think watching a planet get ripped apart and sucked into a black hole would much cooler... for the same reason that airburst nukes are more effective than letting half the blast get "wasted" into dirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Because the center of Vulcan was candy nuegget & delicous, and they wanted to make sure to get every drop. Besides, if you've got a hugeass futuristic mining ship, why not use it to its full extent? Helll, he invited captains on board just to shank them in person! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercurial Morpheus Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Thanks for the pewter shots, Eugimon. It looks pretty nice, though the saucer section looks a touch thin, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoryHolmes Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Having just completed my first viewing, I have to say that I was alternately boweled over by awesomeness and total narm. The set pieces and "plot" itself: total narm. The character-driven dialog: total awesomeness. I think this movie had the single, defining moment of James T. Kirk: "Your father was captain of a ship for 12 minutes, and in that time he saved 800 lives; including your mother and yourself. I dare you to do better." Throughout all of Trekdom, the one unchanging facet to Kirk's personality was his thirst, his need to be better than everyone else around him. Oh, and the ship itself was criminally underused. I was hoping for some giant space battle and got nada. Same with the original Trek theme. *sniff* They almost didn't use it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 But when they DID use it, it was awesome.. like at the end of casino royale when the bond theme finally comes in.. you know the characters deserve that moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vepariga Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Oh, and the ship itself was criminally underused. I was hoping for some giant space battle and got nada. Same with the original Trek theme. *sniff* They almost didn't use it! Yeah I thought there was gonna be some epic battle with the enterprise, perhaps in the second installment we get to see some enterprise v warbird action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoryHolmes Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 But when they DID use it, it was awesome.. like at the end of casino royale when the bond theme finally comes in.. you know the characters deserve that moment. But Casino Royale used it over the whole credits, not just the opening jingle. I'd also like to say that I completely bought Karl Urban as Bones McCoy. Totally and completely owned that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmaker Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Coming home for Thanksgiving, I showed my sis the BD version of this flick. As an old fan of ST since watching those TOS reruns on TV in the 80s, I was pleased with the homages made to TOS while still forging out it's own way. - Kirk's confidence, a bit of that bravado that makes him the best captain in all of ST shows (and any other officer that disagrees gets a knee to the gut and a double overhand strike to the back). The actor I think had fun with that. - Vulcan rage is nice to see on rare occasions. - For as much as I watched ST, I never knew how McCoy got the nickname "Bones." Thought it was work related - Seeing new actors / actresses doing the roles of the classic characters. It'll be fun to hear McCoy spout his classic lines of disbelief when asked to do something terribly difficult. Scotty got numerous lines in. Sulu got to do his swordplay. I almost totally forgot his fencing segment in TOS. Will be great to see them do more with additional screentime. - Revised sound effects from TOS, like the torpedo launches. - Shipboard uniforms! New yet still old school! Though I still miss the uniforms introduced with TWOK. - Red uniforms are still bad luck in the new ST. Chief Engineer Olson proudly joins the ranks of the courageous Red Shirts! I knew this guy was toast the moment he appeared onscreen! - End credits having a new version of TOS opening theme. I look forward in a sequel(s?) with the potential for conflict with the Romulans and Klingons! This era of ST wasn't like the TNG era with major alliances (i.e. Federation-Klingon). The Feds, Klingons, and Rommies should be at each other's throats at the drop of a hat in this era. Even Kirk's lines at the end of the movie to show mercy for Nero was an indicator. It was in the hopes of having better relations with the Romulans was his reasoning, and Spock of all people said that now isn't the time: the chance for peace with a powerful rival be damned! This MOFO was GOING TO DIE! If getting sucked into a black hole wasn't enough, Kirk helps out by having the Enterprise finish the ship off with all weapons, incl Photons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 (edited) But Casino Royale used it over the whole credits, not just the opening jingle. I'd also like to say that I completely bought Karl Urban as Bones McCoy. Totally and completely owned that role. I also thought that Chris Pine caught enough of Shatner's Kirk-behaviorisms and manner of speech successfully, minus the over acting/exaggerating of course... Edited November 27, 2009 by myk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uxi Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Watching the Blu-ray again, I was pretty annoyed that they blew at least 2, 3 opportunities to show us how bad these Romulans were by not sending more Red Shirts. I thought it would have been nice to have those 2 or 3 Romulans breaking, twisting, and blasting red shirts to emphasize how bad ass Kirk and Sulu would be to then beat them.Why didn't Pike send 5 or 6 redshirts along with Kirk and Sulu? Instead it was a 2 on a 2, Kirk is an idiot and bum rushes the Romulan instead of pulling his phaser and blasting him... (where he proceeds to get beat down and punked yet again - I swear the writers hated him more than they did Optimus Prime - and then he doesn't even throw a double-hammer-first or jump kick ). Then the same thing when Spock and Kirk beam over to the Narada. Why not send a bunch of redshirts to draw fire instead of making those Romulans worse shots than Stormtroopers. Third opportunity could have been to have a bunch of redshirts squashed by Rocks on imploding Vulcan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeszekely Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 - For as much as I watched ST, I never knew how McCoy got the nickname "Bones." Thought it was work related AFAIK, that nickname origin only applies to the Abrams-alternate timeline. His nickname in TOS (and the original timeline) was a shortened form of "sawbones," which I guess was slang for a frontier doctor back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 (edited) I swear the writers hated him more than they did Optimus Prime - and then he doesn't even throw a double-hammer-first or jump kick ). Eh, who knows what the writers were thinking. Like you, I was annoyed that from Kirk's appearance as a child up to the point he takes control of the Enterprise he's on the verge of falling off of something or getting beat up by someone... Edited November 27, 2009 by myk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWolf Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 (edited) Why did the Romulans have to dig a hole to the planet core again? Would the black hole still not suck the planet it if placed outside? Extreme heat and pressure triggers the red matter. Edited November 27, 2009 by RedWolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 At the end of the movie, there was no heat/pressure for the red matter drops there---they just "spilled out of a hole in the hull" and their sheer interaction with each other caused a full-on black hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Jenius Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 I like the movie, I just don't understand why a mining ship is so powerful.... I can accept the fire-drill, but the super advanced missiles that COMPLETELY CRUSH military vessels? I mean, don't the Klingons still use the same types of ship in the TNG era? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN Spacy Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 I believe the Narada had some type of Borg technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 It's a heavily upgraded mining vessel, with Borg and advanced prototype Romulan weaponry. (or so I hear from the prequel comics) If you took a modern day oil tanker, gave it nuke-tipped Tomahawks and Harpoons and a prototype rail gun, and sent it back to WWI---I bet it'd win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmaker Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) I like the movie, I just don't understand why a mining ship is so powerful.... I can accept the fire-drill, but the super advanced missiles that COMPLETELY CRUSH military vessels? I mean, don't the Klingons still use the same types of ship in the TNG era? I was thinking about that too. I'm willing to accept the fact that TNG+ era tech far outpaced this movie's era. The weapons on that mining ship were a bit on the "heavy side." I don't see how a futuristic, lightly armed and defended miner can hold up to admittedly old, but still dedicated warships. Especially 47 Klingon warships. It would have been a better sell if Nero was a Warbird captain. I can see one of those Rommie dreadnoughts dishing alot of hurt in the TOS era, since the Warbird was immensely powerful in the TNG era. Maybe using one of those Valdore warbirds from Nemesis. As far as the Klingons using old ships in the TNG era, they certainly did. D7, K'Vorts, Birds of Prey, etc. were still in service. Especially K'Vorts and Birds of Prey, since you see them quite frequently in TNG / DS9. The "guts" of the warships may have aged and became obsolete over time, but the hulls are still good to go. The ships undergo refits / upgrades for their systems, slap it together, and get sent out again. But their classes are downgraded. A battlecruiser in the TOS era still in service and upgraded in the TNG era is downgraded to maybe a light cruiser or destroyer, since the ships did get bigger by the time of TNG. The Federation does this also, but the Klingons are quite good in milking every bit they can out of their warships. Anyways, a fun site to dig into as far as warships in ST goes: DITL It's a heavily upgraded mining vessel, with Borg and advanced prototype Romulan weaponry. (or so I hear from the prequel comics) If you took a modern day oil tanker, gave it nuke-tipped Tomahawks and Harpoons and a prototype rail gun, and sent it back to WWI---I bet it'd win. Your upgraded tanker would be sunk by a German U-Boat Edited November 28, 2009 by Warmaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Jenius Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 It's a heavily upgraded mining vessel, with Borg and advanced prototype Romulan weaponry. (or so I hear from the prequel comics) If you took a modern day oil tanker, gave it nuke-tipped Tomahawks and Harpoons and a prototype rail gun, and sent it back to WWI---I bet it'd win. Yeah, I understand that, but it's still a bit of a stretch. I mean, I totally understand that they needed some sort of timeline altering plot to allow the series to go in it's own direction. It just seemed odd to have a mining vessel. Why not just take it a step further and make it a disgruntled Romulan admiral that had the exact same story as Nero as well as an advanced warship... I mean for all intents and purposes it would be the same thing. I haven't read the prequel comic because I expect movies to stand on their own, it just seemed like such an odd choice. In the end, it's one of those things I just smile and nod for. After all, it IS Star Trek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 I haven't read the comic either---just summaries. Anyways, as to why a mining ship crew (purely IMHO): 1. Rogue/disgruntled military officer is over-done. An 'everyman' is more relatable and atypical. 2. Military ships wouldn't have giant hanging mine-drills, for the orbital-skydiving sequence, fist-fight-on-the-platform sequence, and drilling-out-the-core sequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Alright, geek speculation time: Scimitar vs Narada, who do you pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeszekely Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 You guys are getting too wrapped up on the fact that the Narada is a mining vessel and ignoring the fact that it's a Romulan mining vessel. I don't think the Romulan philosophy allows for "lightly armed." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) Yeah, I understand that, but it's still a bit of a stretch. I mean, I totally understand that they needed some sort of timeline altering plot to allow the series to go in it's own direction. It just seemed odd to have a mining vessel. Why not just take it a step further and make it a disgruntled Romulan admiral that had the exact same story as Nero as well as an advanced warship... I mean for all intents and purposes it would be the same thing. I haven't read the prequel comic because I expect movies to stand on their own, it just seemed like such an odd choice. In the end, it's one of those things I just smile and nod for. After all, it IS Star Trek. It was called "Star Trek Nemesis," and it sucked. Well that's not true, Nemesis actually rocked, when it was called "Wrath of Kahn." Besides, with a mining vessel, you have reasonable belief that much older federation ships would be able to somewhat hold their own against it, at least hold long enough to eject their crew & ram it. They wisely dropped their main plot hole with the whole being captured by Klingon thing. If they had left that in, then the major issue would have been why the Klingons didn't take a small fraction of that 25 years to dismantle t he mining vessel, and incorperate the new technology in their own ships. Hell, you saw how apeshit they went over "Genesis." Edited November 28, 2009 by Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 But Casino Royale used it over the whole credits, not just the opening jingle. I'd also like to say that I completely bought Karl Urban as Bones McCoy. Totally and completely owned that role. the whole theme is there, it's just cut with queues from the new score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWolf Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 then the major issue would have been why the Klingons didn't take a small fraction of that 25 years to dismantle t he mining vessel, and incorperate the new technology in their own ships. Hell, you saw how apeshit they went over "Genesis." Who said the Klingons did not upgrade themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areaseven Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Not exactly new Trek, but still hilarious: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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