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yeah you may have a point but seriously all the big tours are the same bands as when I was in high school. I look at the posters on a street near me in Melbourne and in the last year we've had Bon Jovi, Metallica/Danzig, Wu Tang Clan, a festival with System of a Down and Slipknot headlining and a Pink Floyd tribute show. I know every major band that's touring from high school in the early '90s, surely that points to a lack of new talent?

Thanks so much Gubaba! Don't ban me bro! Edit: Thanks aswell VF5SS!!!

I love Macross just like you.

Yes, the "look" of Unicorn is enough to sell me. Just so much other stuff to buy until I get around to it.

Okay, I don't care who created what anymore, all I know is that I like everything up until Plus/7 and in keeping with the theme of this thread, my thoughts on Macross II is that is was the last true Macross production IN MY OPINION. Why? Because I like Macross II but I don't like Macross 7/Plus/Frontier. That is what I think of Macross II, as the original post asks us to state.

I don't have any evidence on hand but I defer to you Gubaba, who clearly has done more research than most: Do you Gubaba admit that Kawamori had more autonomous control over the original concept for Macross 7 than he did for the original concept of SDFM TV? If you do admit it then you see my point as to why I don't subscribe to Macross-verse post MII. Kawamori ruined it with space hippies instead of a focus on space wars IMO.

If you say you can't see my original point that the basic premise of SDFM TV is much more gritty than that of Macross 7 then you are being obtuse on purpose and that is quite rude.

I give up. People are just arguing for the sake of arguing now.

I think you just don't like the idea of someone rejecting your view of the Macross universe.

On the contrary Tomino invented gritty anime and I've heard that said countless times. The main character body count in MS Gundam is testament to it. So just to be sure no one is here is being contrarian for the sake of it? You're seriously saying that a large part of what made SDFM wasn't the gritty space war setting? Back on topic I believe Macross II followed on better with that theme than any of the alternate series.

Lighthearted at times but the deaths of virtually everyone on Earth from a laser bombardment (including young girls with flowers), the deaths of main characters from combat and aliens being swiss cheezed by a vulcan in full view of the camera makes SDFM look like Full Metal Jacket compared to M7.

The `80s and `90s were better for creativity in general. Music and movies in general were still fresh more often than not. These days I look at all the big music tours and 9 out of 10 are an act that is 20-30 years old. They are the exact same bands that had the big tours when I was a kid 20 years ago. Even new bands sound like old ones to me. So many movies are remakes or realisations of old books or comics or homages to classics these days. What did the 2000s have? The rise of reality TV (greeeat ) and celebrity for the sake of celebrity ( ). Did mankind run out of new ideas? Probably.

LOL, ok

Really?Thats interesting. Personally I think the story of an epic space war with Earth caught in the middle was a lot more fine. I thought the imputice for desiging a transforming fighter being the existance of giant aliens was also pretty damn fine. I thought the idea of human culture being used as a weapon, not a magical devastating weapon but a factor was pretty damn fine and even believable. I also thought the idea of culture as a weapon was balanced with the fact that good ol' nukes and a giant canon were still mankinds trump cards pretty damn cool. Macross went from a gritty war story with background drama to a space hippy and his crazy gang inexplicably being better pilots than anyone in the military (newtypes??) and fighting space vampires/zombies. Do you agree that Macross 7's concept is closer to Kawamori's single vision than SDFM was? I think in that thread you linked me to it's pretty clear it was. Therefore I stand by my assertion that absolute Kawamori corrupts Macross (original concepts) absolutely.

exqueeze me? What about Mash in MII?